[sylpheed:35858] Re: Sylpheed

tristan foxtail at gmx.fr
Sat Nov 2 07:40:19 JST 2013

You are right when you mention that our "privacy"is literaly
used as a commercial merchandise..that's why Gnu-Gpl is
so important..and yes the web is becoming totally
centralized...in the end whta do people want?
a giant You-tube television?..
Sylpheed really is a milestone in that ""WorldWideWeb"

On 01/11/2013 23:20, tristan wrote:
> sorry am chatting on IRC so i'm not too coperative
> but you make a lot's of interesting points..
> thanks
> On 01/11/2013 23:18, cgw993 at aol.com wrote:
>> Good to know, thank you I will look into that
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sylpheed-bounces at sraoss.jp [mailto:sylpheed-bounces at sraoss.jp] On
>> Behalf Of tristan
>> Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 3:15 PM
>> To: sylpheed at sraoss.jp
>> Subject: [sylpheed:35855] Re: Sylpheed
>> NO NO i'm not hacking anyone this is Panopticlick its Electronic 
>> Frontier
>> Foundation its a tools that shows you how your Browser is identified 
>> on the
>> web...=
>> On 01/11/2013 23:05, cgw993 at aol.com wrote:
>>> I do hope your not hacking my computer or browser. I am not a hacker 
>>> or a
>>> programmer.
>>> I am sure my browser, in fact all browsers, do have a unique 
>>> fingerprint.
>>> Even most GNU Linux browsers likely do.   What security measures do I
>> take?
>>> Almost none, as it is too difficult and time consuming to try to 
>>> figure it
>>> so far.   I think the choice people are left with in a practical 
>>> sense is
>> to
>>> do like many here are doing, switch over to Linux, Sylpheed and 
>>> other free
>>> software to at least reduce some of their exposure to surveillance.
>>> Hopefully the volunteers working on decentralizing the internet can
>> continue
>>> to make major progress and help up a stop to what is going on.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sylpheed-bounces at sraoss.jp [mailto:sylpheed-bounces at sraoss.jp] On
>>> Behalf Of tristan
>>> Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 2:45 PM
>>> To: sylpheed at sraoss.jp
>>> Subject: [sylpheed:35853] Re: Sylpheed
>>> Your browser fingerprint *appears to be unique* among the 3,545,513 
>>> tested
>>> so far.
>>> Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys
>> *at
>>> least 21.76 bits of identifying information.*
>>> The measurements we used to obtain this result are listed below. You 
>>> can
>>> read more about our methodology, statistical results, and some defenses
>>> against fingerprinting in this article
>>> <https://panopticlick.eff.org/browser-uniqueness.pdf>.
>>> https://panopticlick.eff.org/index.php?action=log&js=yes
>>> On 01/11/2013 22:25, tristan wrote:
>>>> On 01/11/2013 21:52, cgw993 at aol.com wrote:
>>>>> Thats ok.   What is puzzling about the media reporting countries 
>>>>> being
>>>>> "shocked" about the spying is that
>>>>> -256 bit encryption is still uncrackable without a maybe a quantum
>>>>> computer -There exists things like network "diodes" that make only 1
>>>>> direction communication possible
>>>>> This basic scenario describes an impenetrable communication I believe
>>>>> Computer A - Isolated from any network Computer B - connected to
>>>>> network Computer C - connected to network Computer D - isolated from
>>>>> any network
>>>>> Computer A can communicate with computer D just fine, just not
>>>>> conveniently.
>>>>> If the communications are intercepted, a spy still cannot crack 256
>>>>> bit encryption algorithm (at least one without defects).  BTW in
>>>>> order for the algorithm to be effective, it can only be made of free
>>>>> software.  The communication process from computer A to B and C to D
>>>>> can easily be made unidirectional.  Therefore the NSA for example,
>>>>> can only monitor communication from Computers B to/from C when the
>>>>> data is still encrypted making it useless to them.
>>>>> All the countries that are complaining about spying already know
>>>>> these facts
>>>>> of course and communication on some secure method like this.    This
>>>>> suggests to me that most countries are sharing their data and the
>>>>> purpose of the spying is to spy on their own citizens I would guess
>>>>> for economic reasons, control and to keep certain people in power.
>>>>> It represents the end of a free society and we are watching it happen
>>>>> right now.  How can this be
>>>>> stopped?   People need to learn how to have secure communications
>>>>> themselves.  Given how the average American has gotten dumber each
>>>>> year for the last I would guess 50 years, I dont see that happening
>>>>> any time soon.
>>>>> If anyone reads this and thinks "oh no, these emails are monitored by
>>>>> the nsa etc",  then you know at that moment you no longer live in a
>>>>> democratic society.
>>>> Frankly this is very interesting,yes....
>>>> you are spot on..pretty scary though,I do think its a massive
>>>> ""economic spying scam"
>>>> "and democracy is maybe after all an illusion..?
>>>> I believe in a form of community society..not a consumer society that
>>>> is bringing us towards chaos and ..
>>>> That is allso why i use Sylpheed
>>>> it resembles to what i conceive of ""society"
>>>> its non agressive&   well we are exchanging ideas and opinions so 
>>>> thats
>>>> more than just a ""thingy"i paid lots for and am proud
>>>> of...blablabla..
>>>> looks like most of them new of it(European Gov's even coll
>>>> aborating...)...maybe they all think they are controlling each other!!
>>>> (:-))
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: sylpheed-bounces at sraoss.jp [mailto:sylpheed-bounces at sraoss.jp]
>>>>> On Behalf Of tristan
>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 1:16 PM
>>>>> To: sylpheed at sraoss.jp
>>>>> Subject: [sylpheed:35849] Re: Sylpheed
>>>>> On 01/11/2013 21:08, cgw993 at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>> I am not giving Sylpheed a hard time at all.  I would like to know
>>>>>> how the licensing concepts work in general.
>>>>>> cgw993
>>>>> i know you are not giving Sylpheed a hard time (:-)) i was joking..
>>>>> your questions are ""légitimate"..most of us have been quite shocked
>>>>> by the big spy scam nsa,i just use a Freed_ora linux-libre operating
>>>>> system and avoid using other systems that do not respect my freedom..
>>>>> am no specialist as to gpl and other licenses but if most gnu/linux
>>>>> os recommended by the gnu_org&    fsf,so i guess Sylpheed's 
>>>>> respect our
>>>>> freedom.otherwise it would not be in the libre_os..
>>>>> tristan
>>>>> ""
>>>>> Linux, as distributed by Linus Torvalds et al, contains non-Free
>>>>> Software
>>>>> <http://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/selibre/linux-libre/index.en.html>,
>>>>> i.e., software that does not respect your essential freedoms
>>>>> <http://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/about/what-is-free-software.en.html>,
>>>>> and it
>>>>> induces you to install additional non-Free Software that it doesn't
>>>>> contain.
>>>>> GNU Linux-libre
>>>>> <http://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/selibre/linux-libre/index.en.html>    is 
>>>>> a project to maintain and publish 100% Free versions of Linux,
>>>>> removing the
>>>>> offending<http://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/selibre/linux-libre/index.en.h
>>>>> tml>
>>>>> portions.
>>>>> Freed-ora is a sub-project that prepares and maintains 100% Free RPMs
>>>>> that track Fedora's non-Free kernels.
>>>>> http://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/selibre/linux-libre/freed-ora.en.html
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: sylpheed-bounces at sraoss.jp [mailto:sylpheed-bounces at sraoss.jp]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of foxtail at gmx.fr
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 9:37 AM
>>>>>> To: sylpheed at sraoss.jp
>>>>>> Subject: [sylpheed:35843] Re: Sylpheed
>>>>>> I'd much prefer blasting the NSA to space and let them handle
>>>>>> mysterious Pac man invaders than giving a hard time to Sylpheed..
>>>>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>>>>> De : sm0oojzz+sylph at fastimap.com
>>>>>> Envoyé : 01/11/2013 15:53
>>>>>> À : sylpheed at sraoss.jp
>>>>>> Objet : [sylpheed:35842] Re: Sylpheed
>>>>>> On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 20:47:30 -0700 cgw993 wrote...
>>>>>>> I like Sylpheed.   My only concern is that some of the code is non
>>>>>>> free I
>>>>>>> guess.   I am hesitant to invest in learning new software unless I
>>>>>>> know
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> certain I am not being spied on, that features are not forced on me
>>>>>>> whenever the developer feels like.  Non free code often can allow
>>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>> Thx for reading.   Just wanted to rant about Outlook. Microsoft 
>>>>>>> sucks.
>>>>>> If you have concerns about how a developer designs his application,
>>>>>> you have the option of designing or refining your own.  Find an open
>>>>>> source MUA and tweak it to your hearts content.  If this is beyond
>>>>>> your abilities, I guess you have to live with what is available to
>>>>>> you for
>>>>> **FREE**.

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