[sylpheed:35857] Re: Sylpheed

tristan foxtail at gmx.fr
Sat Nov 2 07:20:53 JST 2013

sorry am chatting on IRC so i'm not too coperative
but you make a lot's of interesting points..

On 01/11/2013 23:18, cgw993 at aol.com wrote:
> Good to know, thank you I will look into that
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sylpheed-bounces at sraoss.jp [mailto:sylpheed-bounces at sraoss.jp] On
> Behalf Of tristan
> Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 3:15 PM
> To: sylpheed at sraoss.jp
> Subject: [sylpheed:35855] Re: Sylpheed
> NO NO i'm not hacking anyone this is Panopticlick its Electronic Frontier
> Foundation its a tools that shows you how your Browser is identified on the
> web...=
> On 01/11/2013 23:05, cgw993 at aol.com wrote:
>> I do hope your not hacking my computer or browser. I am not a hacker or a
>> programmer.
>> I am sure my browser, in fact all browsers, do have a unique fingerprint.
>> Even most GNU Linux browsers likely do.   What security measures do I
> take?
>> Almost none, as it is too difficult and time consuming to try to figure it
>> so far.   I think the choice people are left with in a practical sense is
> to
>> do like many here are doing, switch over to Linux, Sylpheed and other free
>> software to at least reduce some of their exposure to surveillance.
>> Hopefully the volunteers working on decentralizing the internet can
> continue
>> to make major progress and help up a stop to what is going on.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sylpheed-bounces at sraoss.jp [mailto:sylpheed-bounces at sraoss.jp] On
>> Behalf Of tristan
>> Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 2:45 PM
>> To: sylpheed at sraoss.jp
>> Subject: [sylpheed:35853] Re: Sylpheed
>> Your browser fingerprint *appears to be unique* among the 3,545,513 tested
>> so far.
>> Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys
> *at
>> least 21.76 bits of identifying information.*
>> The measurements we used to obtain this result are listed below. You can
>> read more about our methodology, statistical results, and some defenses
>> against fingerprinting in this article
>> <https://panopticlick.eff.org/browser-uniqueness.pdf>.
>> https://panopticlick.eff.org/index.php?action=log&js=yes
>> On 01/11/2013 22:25, tristan wrote:
>>> On 01/11/2013 21:52, cgw993 at aol.com wrote:
>>>> Thats ok.   What is puzzling about the media reporting countries being
>>>> "shocked" about the spying is that
>>>> -256 bit encryption is still uncrackable without a maybe a quantum
>>>> computer -There exists things like network "diodes" that make only 1
>>>> direction communication possible
>>>> This basic scenario describes an impenetrable communication I believe
>>>> Computer A - Isolated from any network Computer B - connected to
>>>> network Computer C - connected to network Computer D - isolated from
>>>> any network
>>>> Computer A can communicate with computer D just fine, just not
>>>> conveniently.
>>>> If the communications are intercepted, a spy still cannot crack 256
>>>> bit encryption algorithm (at least one without defects).  BTW in
>>>> order for the algorithm to be effective, it can only be made of free
>>>> software.  The communication process from computer A to B and C to D
>>>> can easily be made unidirectional.  Therefore the NSA for example,
>>>> can only monitor communication from Computers B to/from C when the
>>>> data is still encrypted making it useless to them.
>>>> All the countries that are complaining about spying already know
>>>> these facts
>>>> of course and communication on some secure method like this.    This
>>>> suggests to me that most countries are sharing their data and the
>>>> purpose of the spying is to spy on their own citizens I would guess
>>>> for economic reasons, control and to keep certain people in power.
>>>> It represents the end of a free society and we are watching it happen
>>>> right now.  How can this be
>>>> stopped?   People need to learn how to have secure communications
>>>> themselves.  Given how the average American has gotten dumber each
>>>> year for the last I would guess 50 years, I dont see that happening
>>>> any time soon.
>>>> If anyone reads this and thinks "oh no, these emails are monitored by
>>>> the nsa etc",  then you know at that moment you no longer live in a
>>>> democratic society.
>>> Frankly this is very interesting,yes....
>>> you are spot on..pretty scary though,I do think its a massive
>>> ""economic spying scam"
>>> "and democracy is maybe after all an illusion..?
>>> I believe in a form of community society..not a consumer society that
>>> is bringing us towards chaos and ..
>>> That is allso why i use Sylpheed
>>> it resembles to what i conceive of ""society"
>>> its non agressive&   well we are exchanging ideas and opinions so thats
>>> more than just a ""thingy"i paid lots for and am proud
>>> of...blablabla..
>>> looks like most of them new of it(European Gov's even coll
>>> aborating...)...maybe they all think they are controlling each other!!
>>> (:-))
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: sylpheed-bounces at sraoss.jp [mailto:sylpheed-bounces at sraoss.jp]
>>>> On Behalf Of tristan
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 1:16 PM
>>>> To: sylpheed at sraoss.jp
>>>> Subject: [sylpheed:35849] Re: Sylpheed
>>>> On 01/11/2013 21:08, cgw993 at aol.com wrote:
>>>>> I am not giving Sylpheed a hard time at all.  I would like to know
>>>>> how the licensing concepts work in general.
>>>>> cgw993
>>>> i know you are not giving Sylpheed a hard time (:-)) i was joking..
>>>> your questions are ""légitimate"..most of us have been quite shocked
>>>> by the big spy scam nsa,i just use a Freed_ora linux-libre operating
>>>> system and avoid using other systems that do not respect my freedom..
>>>> am no specialist as to gpl and other licenses but if most gnu/linux
>>>> os recommended by the gnu_org&    fsf,so i guess Sylpheed's respect our
>>>> freedom.otherwise it would not be in the libre_os..
>>>> tristan
>>>> ""
>>>> Linux, as distributed by Linus Torvalds et al, contains non-Free
>>>> Software
>>>> <http://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/selibre/linux-libre/index.en.html>,
>>>> i.e., software that does not respect your essential freedoms
>>>> <http://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/about/what-is-free-software.en.html>,
>>>> and it
>>>> induces you to install additional non-Free Software that it doesn't
>>>> contain.
>>>> GNU Linux-libre
>>>> <http://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/selibre/linux-libre/index.en.html>    is
>>>> a project to maintain and publish 100% Free versions of Linux,
>>>> removing the
>>>> offending<http://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/selibre/linux-libre/index.en.h
>>>> tml>
>>>> portions.
>>>> Freed-ora is a sub-project that prepares and maintains 100% Free RPMs
>>>> that track Fedora's non-Free kernels.
>>>> http://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/selibre/linux-libre/freed-ora.en.html
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: sylpheed-bounces at sraoss.jp [mailto:sylpheed-bounces at sraoss.jp]
>>>>> On Behalf Of foxtail at gmx.fr
>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 9:37 AM
>>>>> To: sylpheed at sraoss.jp
>>>>> Subject: [sylpheed:35843] Re: Sylpheed
>>>>> I'd much prefer blasting the NSA to space and let them handle
>>>>> mysterious Pac man invaders than giving a hard time to Sylpheed..
>>>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>>>> De : sm0oojzz+sylph at fastimap.com
>>>>> Envoyé : 01/11/2013 15:53
>>>>> À : sylpheed at sraoss.jp
>>>>> Objet : [sylpheed:35842] Re: Sylpheed
>>>>> On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 20:47:30 -0700 cgw993 wrote...
>>>>>> I like Sylpheed.   My only concern is that some of the code is non
>>>>>> free I
>>>>>> guess.   I am hesitant to invest in learning new software unless I
>>>>>> know
>>>>> for
>>>>>> certain I am not being spied on, that features are not forced on me
>>>>>> whenever the developer feels like.  Non free code often can allow
>>>>>> this.
>>>>>> Thx for reading.   Just wanted to rant about Outlook. Microsoft sucks.
>>>>> If you have concerns about how a developer designs his application,
>>>>> you have the option of designing or refining your own.  Find an open
>>>>> source MUA and tweak it to your hearts content.  If this is beyond
>>>>> your abilities, I guess you have to live with what is available to
>>>>> you for
>>>> **FREE**.

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