[sylpheed:36070] Re: (no subject)

Gene Goldenfeld genegold at fastmail.fm
Thu Jun 5 04:33:53 JST 2014

I object to anyone sending emails without a subject, which is why I do
not think it should be encouraged by adding an option to Sylpheed.
Unless Hiro thinks otherwise, perhaps you should look elsewhere.

In your reply, I see a lot of "I" but no "we," no discussion of general
interest.  Just like driving, the Internet is first and foremost a
social arena (or medium) where the general interest in safety,
security and sharing necessarily come first. 


On Wed, 4 Jun 2014 12:05:02 -0700
<cgw993 at aol.com> wrote:

> My point was really to allow the user to decide if they want to see
> the confirmation message or not.  For me the issue becomes should the
> user be allowed to have as much control over the software as
> possible, or should others decide for them.  
> Regarding your conclusions
> Usefulness - I do not appreciate subject lines or find them useful. I
> am sure others do and I have not problem with that.
> Spam - Not much of an issue for me with or without subject lines
> Malware - Not an issue for me unless I click a link or open an
> attached file.  There may be another form of malware that I am not
> aware of though. 
> Courtesy - I don't consider them to be a courtesy but a waste of time
> and possibly a breach of privacy.  I am sure others appreciate them
> though.  If I am not mistaken, subject lines are not typically
> encrypted and are sent plain text, even with PGP etc.  I have not
> confirmed that though, just that I thought I read that somewhere.
> Organization - I prefer to read the email and them manually move the
> email to a folder rather than have this done automatically. I would
> never attempt to automatically or even manually classify emails based
> only on the subject line unless the emails were of no real
> importance. On the other hand I do not receive 100+ emails per day as
> others I am sure do.
> If I were to label others as "intelligent", "Old", "Not intelligent",
> or any label at all, it would still have no bearing on whether the
> person I have labeled has the right to set things the way they wish.
> If they wish to do something a certain way, they should be allowed to
> do so if possible.  In this case, turning off the confirmation
> message seems easily possible.
> In summary - I find the confirmation box regarding the blank subject
> line to be an annoyance and I wish there was a setting I could use
> the turn that off.
> Thanks
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sylpheed-bounces at sraoss.jp [mailto:sylpheed-bounces at sraoss.jp]
> On Behalf Of Gene Goldenfeld
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 4:44 AM
> To: sylpheed at sraoss.jp
> Subject: [sylpheed:36068] Re: (no subject)
> Wlecome to Sylpheed.  Many of us have thanked Hiro many times over
> the years and continue to do so.  It only appears less so now since
> Sylpheed is so well written and established that there has been much
> less exchange on the list. 
> Perhaps because you use an "enclosed" system such as AOL, you don't
> appreciate about empty subject lines and their usefulness, including
> the reminder (I've had to explain it to older relatives who use AOL
> too). First, for many years empty subject lines were (and still
> occasionaly are) the modus operandi of mass spammers and those
> sending malware.  Knowing that helped intelligent users spot
> potential problems, while the attitude you express about someone
> taking the time to write is one that helped facilitate the spread of
> malware around the world.  Second, a subject line is a matter of
> elementary courtesy toward others, one that lets the receiver(s) know
> what the email is about, at least its general subject, so they can
> decide whether or not they want to read it and when. And third, in
> the various subject folders for email I keep, I'd be at a complete
> loss trying to find what I need w/o subject lines. 
> Gene
> On Wed, 4 Jun 2014 00:31:33 -0700
> <cgw993 at aol.com> wrote:
> > I just wanted to give some feedback for Sylpheed. I am still
> > using ... On this mailing list I do not see a lot of people giving
> > a thanks or positive feedback for this software.  So Hiroyuki, if
> > you are the creator of Sylpheed or largely responsible for it,
> > then "well done, good work, Keep it up and thanks".
> > 
> > The only change I would make to Sylpheed is to have the ability to 
> > disable the confirmation box when  a user wants to sent an email
> > with an empty subject line.  I know I differ from a lot of users on
> > this, but I do not find subject lines to be useful or even a good
> > idea.  If someone takes the time to personally write me an email, I
> > open it and read it.  I agree that subject lines are great to help
> > others organize your sent emails (NSA, AOL, Google, Random Servers,
> > Etc).

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