[sylpheed:35855] Re: Sylpheed

tristan foxtail at gmx.fr
Sat Nov 2 07:14:33 JST 2013

NO NO i'm not hacking anyone this is Panopticlick
its Electronic Frontier Foundation its a tools that shows you how your 
Browser is identified
on the web...=

On 01/11/2013 23:05, cgw993 at aol.com wrote:
> I do hope your not hacking my computer or browser. I am not a hacker or a
> programmer.
> I am sure my browser, in fact all browsers, do have a unique fingerprint.
> Even most GNU Linux browsers likely do.   What security measures do I take?
> Almost none, as it is too difficult and time consuming to try to figure it
> so far.   I think the choice people are left with in a practical sense is to
> do like many here are doing, switch over to Linux, Sylpheed and other free
> software to at least reduce some of their exposure to surveillance.
> Hopefully the volunteers working on decentralizing the internet can continue
> to make major progress and help up a stop to what is going on.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sylpheed-bounces at sraoss.jp [mailto:sylpheed-bounces at sraoss.jp] On
> Behalf Of tristan
> Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 2:45 PM
> To: sylpheed at sraoss.jp
> Subject: [sylpheed:35853] Re: Sylpheed
> Your browser fingerprint *appears to be unique* among the 3,545,513 tested
> so far.
> Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys *at
> least 21.76 bits of identifying information.*
> The measurements we used to obtain this result are listed below. You can
> read more about our methodology, statistical results, and some defenses
> against fingerprinting in this article
> <https://panopticlick.eff.org/browser-uniqueness.pdf>.
> https://panopticlick.eff.org/index.php?action=log&js=yes
> On 01/11/2013 22:25, tristan wrote:
>> On 01/11/2013 21:52, cgw993 at aol.com wrote:
>>> Thats ok.   What is puzzling about the media reporting countries being
>>> "shocked" about the spying is that
>>> -256 bit encryption is still uncrackable without a maybe a quantum
>>> computer -There exists things like network "diodes" that make only 1
>>> direction communication possible
>>> This basic scenario describes an impenetrable communication I believe
>>> Computer A - Isolated from any network Computer B - connected to
>>> network Computer C - connected to network Computer D - isolated from
>>> any network
>>> Computer A can communicate with computer D just fine, just not
>>> conveniently.
>>> If the communications are intercepted, a spy still cannot crack 256
>>> bit encryption algorithm (at least one without defects).  BTW in
>>> order for the algorithm to be effective, it can only be made of free
>>> software.  The communication process from computer A to B and C to D
>>> can easily be made unidirectional.  Therefore the NSA for example,
>>> can only monitor communication from Computers B to/from C when the
>>> data is still encrypted making it useless to them.
>>> All the countries that are complaining about spying already know
>>> these facts
>>> of course and communication on some secure method like this.    This
>>> suggests to me that most countries are sharing their data and the
>>> purpose of the spying is to spy on their own citizens I would guess
>>> for economic reasons, control and to keep certain people in power.
>>> It represents the end of a free society and we are watching it happen
>>> right now.  How can this be
>>> stopped?   People need to learn how to have secure communications
>>> themselves.  Given how the average American has gotten dumber each
>>> year for the last I would guess 50 years, I dont see that happening
>>> any time soon.
>>> If anyone reads this and thinks "oh no, these emails are monitored by
>>> the nsa etc",  then you know at that moment you no longer live in a
>>> democratic society.
>> Frankly this is very interesting,yes....
>> you are spot on..pretty scary though,I do think its a massive
>> ""economic spying scam"
>> "and democracy is maybe after all an illusion..?
>> I believe in a form of community society..not a consumer society that
>> is bringing us towards chaos and ..
>> That is allso why i use Sylpheed
>> it resembles to what i conceive of ""society"
>> its non agressive&  well we are exchanging ideas and opinions so thats
>> more than just a ""thingy"i paid lots for and am proud
>> of...blablabla..
>> looks like most of them new of it(European Gov's even coll
>> aborating...)...maybe they all think they are controlling each other!!
>> (:-))
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sylpheed-bounces at sraoss.jp [mailto:sylpheed-bounces at sraoss.jp]
>>> On Behalf Of tristan
>>> Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 1:16 PM
>>> To: sylpheed at sraoss.jp
>>> Subject: [sylpheed:35849] Re: Sylpheed
>>> On 01/11/2013 21:08, cgw993 at aol.com wrote:
>>>> I am not giving Sylpheed a hard time at all.  I would like to know
>>>> how the licensing concepts work in general.
>>>> cgw993
>>> i know you are not giving Sylpheed a hard time (:-)) i was joking..
>>> your questions are ""légitimate"..most of us have been quite shocked
>>> by the big spy scam nsa,i just use a Freed_ora linux-libre operating
>>> system and avoid using other systems that do not respect my freedom..
>>> am no specialist as to gpl and other licenses but if most gnu/linux
>>> os recommended by the gnu_org&   fsf,so i guess Sylpheed's respect our
>>> freedom.otherwise it would not be in the libre_os..
>>> tristan
>>> ""
>>> Linux, as distributed by Linus Torvalds et al, contains non-Free
>>> Software
>>> <http://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/selibre/linux-libre/index.en.html>,
>>> i.e., software that does not respect your essential freedoms
>>> <http://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/about/what-is-free-software.en.html>,
>>> and it
>>> induces you to install additional non-Free Software that it doesn't
>>> contain.
>>> GNU Linux-libre
>>> <http://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/selibre/linux-libre/index.en.html>   is
>>> a project to maintain and publish 100% Free versions of Linux,
>>> removing the
>>> offending<http://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/selibre/linux-libre/index.en.h
>>> tml>
>>> portions.
>>> Freed-ora is a sub-project that prepares and maintains 100% Free RPMs
>>> that track Fedora's non-Free kernels.
>>> http://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/selibre/linux-libre/freed-ora.en.html
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: sylpheed-bounces at sraoss.jp [mailto:sylpheed-bounces at sraoss.jp]
>>>> On Behalf Of foxtail at gmx.fr
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 9:37 AM
>>>> To: sylpheed at sraoss.jp
>>>> Subject: [sylpheed:35843] Re: Sylpheed
>>>> I'd much prefer blasting the NSA to space and let them handle
>>>> mysterious Pac man invaders than giving a hard time to Sylpheed..
>>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>>> De : sm0oojzz+sylph at fastimap.com
>>>> Envoyé : 01/11/2013 15:53
>>>> À : sylpheed at sraoss.jp
>>>> Objet : [sylpheed:35842] Re: Sylpheed
>>>> On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 20:47:30 -0700 cgw993 wrote...
>>>>> I like Sylpheed.   My only concern is that some of the code is non
>>>>> free I
>>>>> guess.   I am hesitant to invest in learning new software unless I
>>>>> know
>>>> for
>>>>> certain I am not being spied on, that features are not forced on me
>>>>> whenever the developer feels like.  Non free code often can allow
>>>>> this.
>>>>> Thx for reading.   Just wanted to rant about Outlook. Microsoft sucks.
>>>> If you have concerns about how a developer designs his application,
>>>> you have the option of designing or refining your own.  Find an open
>>>> source MUA and tweak it to your hearts content.  If this is beyond
>>>> your abilities, I guess you have to live with what is available to
>>>> you for
>>> **FREE**.

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