[sylpheed:34758] Re: IMAP and Yahoo not working... sometimes

[James Freer]

On 26 August 2011 14:46, Javier <meresponde2001-sylpheed at yahoo.es> wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 11:01:48 +0100
> James Freer <jrjfreer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yahoo publically does not offer imap. Like me you seem to have
>> found the following connections work but have to be manually
>> entered iirc or manually corrected with the auto configuration.
>> imap.yahoo.com:993
>> smtp.yahoo.com:465
>>
>> I like you found that yahoo worked.... most of the time.
>
>
> Hi, thanks for the reply :)
>
> Most of the time working, no, working all the time, except for some
> accounts for... unkown reasons, that don't work with Sylpheed but
> working with Seamonkey.
>
> Except for the yahoo.co.jp account, that looks another problem.
> Lately, even web access, is almost impossible, rejecting user and
> password :( I think they servers are quite busy these days.
>
>
>> I think
>> they provide the provision for phones but not for email. They only
>> offer pop and will deny that one can use imap. I would imagine that
>> is
>> because of the bandwidth or something like that - the server has
>> got to be able to cope with the large downloading of headers
>> whereas pop is just a few although can be a large amount with much
>> email usage.
>>
>
>
>
> You would be right, unless IMAP server can't identify if a connection
> is comming from a mobile or not. And you can't choose through Yahoo
> options to use one of other method to check mail. Both are open.
>
> Yes, IMAP is now offered for phones, but, by the intrinsic way a
> server works (whatever type it is), can be used widely with any type
> of software or connection.
>
> The bandwidth used, is not as you say, the mobile phones can use
> the same amount of data to communicate with the server. There is no
> difference from desktop to mobile, even speeds, nowadays. In the
> other hand, I don't download mails unless I read them. I only
> download headers and they are cached to avoid newer downloads, what
> also can't be ever said for all mobile mail software...
>
> I agree with you only in that, maybe, and I didn't find anywhere, I
> could be violating the terms of service, just because IMAP services
> is only "intended" for mobile use.
>
>
> Oh, one correction, is not imap.yahoo.com, but imap.mail.yahoo.com ;)
>
>
>> I've been doing some testing over the last couple of weeks having
>> decided to give up on Firefox and Thunderbird. I found no faults
>> [using gmail, aol accounts [apart from yahoo which i've
>> mentioned]using imap with Thunderbird, Seamonkey, Sylpheed, Claws
>> or Alpine. I'm a 'user' as opposed to a technical guru... as such i
>> hope i've been of help. I can set them up and test but what goes on
>> underneath i can't comment on.
>
>
> I didn't have problems with other mail services either, only with
> Yahoo. But if it is a Yahoo problem, is weird, and if it is a
> Sylpheed problem, is weird too :S
>
>
>
>> [snip]
>> > But... not ever, with some accounts with passwords including both
>> > type of characters in the password (white spaces and
>> > symbols/special chars) the IMAP connection works.
>>
>> I wouldn't expect it to. passwords should be alpha-numeric only -
>> maybe i'm wrong on that but it doesn't seem a good idea to use
>> spaces and symbols.
>
>
> Should?
>
> Don't say this, now the web services are letting us use spaces and
> symbols to enforce passwords, don't say, "hey, let's go back to ascii
> or extended ascii". God bless the day they started letting us choose
> the strength of a password.
>
> Really, it's a good idea to use stronger passwords. And, by the way,
> Yahoo in the past didn't let you to choose passwords with spaces and
> symbols, but now does, so shouldn't be anything wrong. If something
> goes wrong, is to blame Yahoo.
>
> I contacted them 4 months ago to fix IMAP password parsing with white
> spaces, and, hey, they did! but... is half working.
>
> And this is why I came here to tell/ask if Sylpheed is sending bad
> the passwords or something. It's strange some are working and some
> aren't :S and then if they don't work on Sylpheed, they work on other
> mail client.
>
> Something may be wrong somewhere. I don't want to blame Sylpheed, but
> it looks like could be it, but Yahoo looks isn't free of guilt too.
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Javier.
>
> P.S.: sorry if this message is bad written, I'm a bit asleep :S
>

Sorry ... yes quite right
> Oh, one correction, is not imap.yahoo.com, but imap.mail.yahoo.com ;)

iirc it was sending with yahoo i couldn't do reliably - for me a yahoo
account is only for my yahoogroup memberships.

james