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CentOS 6 x64<br></div>
<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Postgres 9.2.4<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">PGPool II 3.2.5<br><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">
There are 3 servers, two with postgres database which is replicated by slony and on another one pgpool is running.<br><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">My pgpool.conf<br>
# ----------------------------<br># pgPool-II configuration file<br># ----------------------------<br>#<br># This file consists of lines of the form:<br>#<br>#   name = value<br>#<br># Whitespace may be used.  Comments are introduced with &quot;#&quot; anywhere on a line.<br>

# The complete list of parameter names and allowed values can be found in the<br># pgPool-II documentation.<br>#<br># This file is read on server startup and when the server receives a SIGHUP<br># signal.  If you edit the file on a running system, you have to SIGHUP the<br>

# server for the changes to take effect, or use &quot;pgpool reload&quot;.  Some<br># parameters, which are marked below, require a server shutdown and restart to<br># take effect.<br>#<br><br><br>#------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>

# CONNECTIONS<br>#------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br># - pgpool Connection Settings -<br><br>listen_addresses = &#39;*&#39;<br>                                   # Host name or IP address to listen on:<br>

                                   # &#39;*&#39; for all, &#39;&#39; for no TCP/IP connections<br>                                   # (change requires restart)<br>port = 5432<br>                                   # Port number<br>

                                   # (change requires restart)<br>socket_dir = &#39;/var/run&#39;<br>                                   # Unix domain socket path<br>                                   # The Debian package defaults to<br>

                                   # /var/run/postgresql<br>                                   # (change requires restart)<br><br><br># - pgpool Communication Manager Connection Settings -<br><br>pcp_port = 9898<br>                                   # Port number for pcp<br>

                                   # (change requires restart)<br>pcp_socket_dir = &#39;/var/run&#39;<br>                                   # Unix domain socket path for pcp<br>                                   # The Debian package defaults to<br>

                                   # /var/run/postgresql<br>                                   # (change requires restart)<br><br># - Backend Connection Settings -<br><br>backend_hostname0 = &#39;127.0.0.1&#39;    <br>                                   # Host name or IP address to connect to for backend 0<br>

backend_port0 = 27930<br>                                   # Port number for backend 0<br>backend_weight0 = 1<br>                                   # Weight for backend 0 (only in load balancing mode)<br>backend_data_directory0 = &#39;/usr/local/pgsql/data&#39;<br>

                                   # Data directory for backend 0<br>backend_flag0 = &#39;ALLOW_TO_FAILOVER&#39;<br>                                   # Controls various backend behavior<br>                                   # ALLOW_TO_FAILOVER or DISALLOW_TO_FAILOVER<br>

backend_hostname1 = &#39;127.0.0.1&#39;<br>backend_port1 = 27931<br>backend_weight1 = 1<br>backend_data_directory1 = &#39;/usr/local/pgsql/data&#39;<br>backend_flag1 = &#39;ALLOW_TO_FAILOVER&#39;<br><br># - Authentication -<br>

<br>enable_pool_hba = on<br>                                   # Use pool_hba.conf for client authentication<br>pool_passwd = &#39;&#39;<br>                                   # File name of pool_passwd for md5 authentication.<br>

                                   # &quot;&quot; disables pool_passwd. <br>                                   # (change requires restart)<br>authentication_timeout = 30<br>                                   # Delay in seconds to complete client authentication<br>

                                   # 0 means no timeout.<br><br># - SSL Connections -<br><br>ssl = off<br>                                   # Enable SSL support<br>                                   # (change requires restart)<br>

ssl_key = &#39;./server.key&#39;<br>                                   # Path to the SSL private key file<br>                                   # (change requires restart)<br>ssl_cert = &#39;./server.cert&#39;<br>                                   # Path to the SSL public certificate file<br>

                                   # (change requires restart)<br>ssl_ca_cert = &#39;./root.crt&#39;<br>                                   # Path to a single PEM format file<br>                                   # containing CA root certificate(s)<br>

                                   # (change requires restart)<br>#ssl_ca_cert_dir = &#39;&#39;<br>                                   # Directory containing CA root certificate(s)<br>                                   # (change requires restart)<br>

<br><br>#------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br># POOLS<br>#------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br># - Pool size -<br><br>num_init_children = 512<br>

                                   # Number of pools<br>                                   # (change requires restart)<br>max_pool = 2<br>                                   # Number of connections per pool<br>                                   # (change requires restart)<br>

<br># - Life time -<br><br>child_life_time = 300<br>                                   # Pool exits after being idle for this many seconds<br>child_max_connections = 0<br>                                   # Pool exits after receiving that many connections<br>

                                   # 0 means no exit<br>connection_life_time = 0<br>                                   # Connection to backend closes after being idle for this many seconds<br>                                   # 0 means no close<br>

client_idle_limit = 0<br>                                   # Client is disconnected after being idle for that many seconds<br>                                   # (even inside an explicit transactions!)<br>                                   # 0 means no disconnection<br>

<br><br>#------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br># LOGS<br>#------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br># - Where to log -<br><br>log_destination = &#39;stderr&#39;<br>

                                   # Where to log<br>                                   # Valid values are combinations of stderr,<br>                                   # and syslog. Default to stderr.<br><br># - What to log -<br>

<br>print_timestamp = on<br>                                   # Print timestamp on each line<br>                                   # (change requires restart)<br><br>log_connections = on<br>                                   # Log connections<br>

log_hostname = on<br>                                   # Hostname will be shown in ps status<br>                                   # and in logs if connections are logged<br>log_statement = on<br>                                   # Log all statements<br>

log_per_node_statement = on<br>                                   # Log all statements<br>                                   # with node and backend informations<br>log_standby_delay = &#39;none&#39;<br>                                   # Log standby delay<br>

                                   # Valid values are combinations of always,<br>                                   # if_over_threshold, none<br><br># - Syslog specific -<br><br>syslog_facility = &#39;LOCAL0&#39;<br>                                   # Syslog local facility. Default to LOCAL0<br>

syslog_ident = &#39;pgpool&#39;<br>                                   # Syslog program identification string<br>                                   # Default to &#39;pgpool&#39;<br><br># - Debug -<br><br>debug_level = 1<br>

                                   # Debug message verbosity level<br>                                   # 0 means no message, 1 or more mean verbose<br><br><br>#------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>

# FILE LOCATIONS<br>#------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>pid_file_name = &#39;/usr/local/etc/pgpool.pid&#39;<br>                                   # PID file name<br>                                   # (change requires restart)<br>

logdir = &#39;/usr/local/etc/&#39;<br>                                   # Directory of pgPool status file<br>                                   # (change requires restart)<br><br><br>#------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>

# CONNECTION POOLING<br>#------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>connection_cache = on<br>                                   # Activate connection pools<br>                                   # (change requires restart)<br>

<br>                                   # Semicolon separated list of queries<br>                                   # to be issued at the end of a session<br>                                   # The default is for 8.3 and later<br>

reset_query_list = &#39;ABORT; DISCARD ALL&#39;<br>                                   # The following one is for 8.2 and before<br>#reset_query_list = &#39;ABORT; RESET ALL; SET SESSION AUTHORIZATION DEFAULT&#39;<br><br>
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#------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br># REPLICATION MODE<br>#------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>replication_mode = off<br>                                   # Activate replication mode<br>

                                   # (change requires restart)<br>replicate_select = off<br>                                   # Replicate SELECT statements<br>                                   # when in replication or parallel mode<br>

                                   # replicate_select is higher priority than<br>                                   # load_balance_mode.<br><br>insert_lock = off<br>                                   # Automatically locks a dummy row or a table<br>

                                   # with INSERT statements to keep SERIAL data<br>                                   # consistency<br>                                   # Without SERIAL, no lock will be issued<br>lobj_lock_table = &#39;&#39;<br>

                                   # When rewriting lo_creat command in<br>                                   # replication mode, specify table name to<br>                                   # lock<br><br># - Degenerate handling -<br>

<br>replication_stop_on_mismatch = off<br>                                   # On disagreement with the packet kind<br>                                   # sent from backend, degenerate the node<br>                                   # which is most likely &quot;minority&quot;<br>

                                   # If off, just force to exit this session<br><br>failover_if_affected_tuples_mismatch = off<br>                                   # On disagreement with the number of affected<br>                                   # tuples in UPDATE/DELETE queries, then<br>

                                   # degenerate the node which is most likely<br>                                   # &quot;minority&quot;.<br>                                   # If off, just abort the transaction to<br>

                                   # keep the consistency<br><br><br>#------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br># LOAD BALANCING MODE<br>#------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>

<br>load_balance_mode = on<br>                                   # Activate load balancing mode<br>                                   # (change requires restart)<br>ignore_leading_white_space = on<br>                                   # Ignore leading white spaces of each query<br>

white_function_list = &#39;&#39;<br>                                   # Comma separated list of function names<br>                                   # that don&#39;t write to database<br>                                   # Regexp are accepted<br>

black_function_list = &#39;currval,lastval,nextval,setval&#39;<br>                                   # Comma separated list of function names<br>                                   # that write to database<br>                                   # Regexp are accepted<br>

<br><br>#------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br># MASTER/SLAVE MODE<br>#------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>master_slave_mode = on<br>

                                   # Activate master/slave mode<br>                                   # (change requires restart)<br>master_slave_sub_mode = &#39;slony&#39;<br>                                   # Master/slave sub mode<br>

                                   # Valid values are combinations slony or<br>                                   # stream. Default is slony.<br>                                   # (change requires restart)<br><br># - Streaming -<br>

<br>sr_check_period = 0<br>                                   # Streaming replication check period<br>                                   # Disabled (0) by default<br>sr_check_user = &#39;nobody&#39;<br>                                   # Streaming replication check user<br>

                                   # This is neccessary even if you disable streaming<br>                                   # replication delay check by sr_check_period = 0<br>sr_check_password = &#39;&#39;<br>                                   # Password for streaming replication check user<br>

delay_threshold = 0<br>                                   # Threshold before not dispatching query to standby node<br>                                   # Unit is in bytes<br>                                   # Disabled (0) by default<br>

<br># - Special commands -<br><br>follow_master_command = &#39;&#39;<br>                                   # Executes this command after master failover<br>                                   # Special values:<br>                                   #   %d = node id<br>

                                   #   %h = host name<br>                                   #   %p = port number<br>                                   #   %D = database cluster path<br>                                   #   %m = new master node id<br>

                                   #   %H = hostname of the new master node<br>                                   #   %M = old master node id<br>                                   #   %P = old primary node id<br>                                   #   %r = new master port number<br>

                                   #   %R = new master database cluster path<br>                                   #   %% = &#39;%&#39; character<br><br><br>#------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>

# PARALLEL MODE<br>#------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>parallel_mode = off<br>                                   # Activates parallel query mode<br>                                   # (change requires restart)<br>

pgpool2_hostname = &#39;&#39;<br>                                   # Set pgpool2 hostname <br>                                   # (change requires restart)<br><br># - System DB info -<br><br>#system_db_hostname  = &#39;localhost&#39;<br>

                                   # (change requires restart)<br>#system_db_port = 5432<br>                                   # (change requires restart)<br>#system_db_dbname = &#39;pgpool&#39;<br>                                   # (change requires restart)<br>

#system_db_schema = &#39;pgpool_catalog&#39;<br>                                   # (change requires restart)<br>#system_db_user = &#39;pgpool&#39;<br>                                   # (change requires restart)<br>#system_db_password = &#39;&#39;<br>

                                   # (change requires restart)<br><br><br>#------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br># HEALTH CHECK<br>#------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>

<br>health_check_period = 10<br>                                   # Health check period<br>                                   # Disabled (0) by default<br>health_check_timeout = 20<br>                                   # Health check timeout<br>

                                   # 0 means no timeout<br>health_check_user = &#39;postgres&#39;<br>                                   # Health check user<br>health_check_password = &#39;&#39;<br>                                   # Password for health check user<br>

health_check_max_retries = 0<br>                                   # Maximum number of times to retry a failed health check before giving up.<br>health_check_retry_delay = 1<br>                                   # Amount of time to wait (in seconds) between retries.<br>

<br><br>#------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br># FAILOVER AND FAILBACK<br>#------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>failover_command = &#39;&#39;<br>

                                   # Executes this command at failover<br>                                   # Special values:<br>                                   #   %d = node id<br>                                   #   %h = host name<br>

                                   #   %p = port number<br>                                   #   %D = database cluster path<br>                                   #   %m = new master node id<br>                                   #   %H = hostname of the new master node<br>

                                   #   %M = old master node id<br>                                   #   %P = old primary node id<br>                                   #   %r = new master port number<br>                                   #   %R = new master database cluster path<br>

<br>                                   #   %% = &#39;%&#39; character<br>failback_command = &#39;&#39;<br>                                   # Executes this command at failback.<br>                                   # Special values:<br>

                                   #   %d = node id<br>                                   #   %h = host name<br>                                   #   %p = port number<br>                                   #   %D = database cluster path<br>

                                   #   %m = new master node id<br>                                   #   %H = hostname of the new master node<br>                                   #   %M = old master node id<br>                                   #   %P = old primary node id<br>

                                   #   %r = new master port number<br>                                   #   %R = new master database cluster path<br>                                   #   %% = &#39;%&#39; character<br><br>

fail_over_on_backend_error = on<br>                                   # Initiates failover when reading/writing to the<br>                                   # backend communication socket fails<br>                                   # If set to off, pgpool will report an<br>

                                   # error and disconnect the session.<br><br><br>#------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br># ONLINE RECOVERY<br>#------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>

<br>recovery_user = &#39;nobody&#39;<br>                                   # Online recovery user<br>recovery_password = &#39;&#39;<br>                                   # Online recovery password<br>recovery_1st_stage_command = &#39;&#39;<br>

                                   # Executes a command in first stage<br>recovery_2nd_stage_command = &#39;&#39;<br>                                   # Executes a command in second stage<br>recovery_timeout = 90<br>                                   # Timeout in seconds to wait for the<br>

                                   # recovering node&#39;s postmaster to start up<br>                                   # 0 means no wait<br>client_idle_limit_in_recovery = 0<br>                                   # Client is disconnected after being idle<br>

                                   # for that many seconds in the second stage<br>                                   # of online recovery<br>                                   # 0 means no disconnection<br>                                   # -1 means immediate disconnection<br>

<br><br>#------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br># WATCHDOG<br>#------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>use_watchdog = off <br>                                    # Activates watchdog<br>

                                    # (change requires restart)<br>trusted_servers = &#39;&#39;<br>                                    # trusted server list which are used<br>                                    # to confirm network connection<br>

                                    # (hostA,hostB,hostC,...)<br>                                    # (change requires restart)<br>delegate_IP = &#39;&#39;<br>                                    # delegate IP address<br>

                                    # (change requires restart)<br>wd_hostname = &#39;&#39;<br>                                    # Host name or IP address of this watchdog<br>                                    # (change requires restart)<br>

wd_port = 9000<br>                                    # port number for watchdog service<br>                                    # (change requires restart)<br>wd_interval = 10<br>                                    # lifecheck interval (sec) &gt; 0<br>

                                    # (change requires restart)<br>ping_path = &#39;/bin&#39;<br>                                    # ping command path<br>                                    # (change requires restart)<br>

ifconfig_path = &#39;/sbin&#39;<br>                                    # ifconfig command path<br>                                    # (change requires restart)<br>if_up_cmd = &#39;ifconfig eth0:0 inet $_IP_$ netmask 255.255.255.0&#39;<br>

                                    # startup delegate IP command<br>                                    # (change requires restart)<br>if_down_cmd = &#39;ifconfig eth0:0 down&#39;<br>                                    # shutdown delegate IP command<br>

                                    # (change requires restart)<br><br>arping_path = &#39;/usr/sbin&#39;           # arping command path<br>                                    # (change requires restart)<br><br>arping_cmd = &#39;arping -U $_IP_$ -w 1&#39;<br>

                                    # arping command<br>                                    # (change requires restart)<br>wd_life_point = 3<br>                                    # lifecheck retry times<br>                                    # (change requires restart)<br>

wd_lifecheck_query = &#39;SELECT 1&#39;<br>                                    # lifecheck query to pgpool from watchdog<br>                                    # (change requires restart)<br># Other pgpool Connection Settings<br>

<br>#other_pgpool_hostname0 = &#39;host0&#39;<br>                                    # Host name or IP address to connect to for other pgpool 0<br>#other_pgpool_port0 = 5432<br>                                    # Port number for othet pgpool 0<br>

#other_wd_port0 = 9000<br>                                    # Port number for othet watchdog 0<br>#other_pgpool_hostname1 = &#39;host1&#39;<br>#other_pgpool_port1 = 5432<br>#other_wd_port1 = 9000<br><br><br>#------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>

# OTHERS<br>#------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>relcache_expire = 0<br>                                   # Life time of relation cache in seconds.<br>                                   # 0 means no cache expiration(the default).<br>

                                   # The relation cache is used for cache the<br>                                   # query result against PostgreSQL system<br>                                   # catalog to obtain various information<br>

                                   # including table structures or if it&#39;s a<br>                                   # temporary table or not. The cache is<br>                                   # maintained in a pgpool child local memory<br>

                                   # and being kept as long as it survives.<br>                                   # If someone modify the table by using<br>                                   # ALTER TABLE or some such, the relcache is<br>

                                   # not consistent anymore.<br>                                   # For this purpose, cache_expiration<br>                                   # controls the life time of the cache.<br>relcache_size = 256<br>

                                   # Number of relation cache<br>                                   # entry. If you see frequently:<br>                                   # &quot;pool_search_relcache: cache replacement happend&quot;<br>

                                   # in the pgpool log, you might want to increate this number.<br><br>check_temp_table = on<br>                                   # If on, enable temporary table check in SELECT statements.<br>

                                   # This initiates queries against system catalog of primary/master<br>                                   # thus increases load of master.<br>                                   # If you are absolutely sure that your system never uses temporary tables<br>

                                   # and you want to save access to primary/master, you could turn this off.<br>                                   # Default is on.<br><br><br>#------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>

# ON MEMORY QUERY MEMORY CACHE<br>#------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>memory_cache_enabled = off<br>                                   # If on, use the memory cache functionality, off by default<br>

memqcache_method = &#39;shmem&#39;<br>                                   # Cache storage method. either &#39;shmem&#39;(shared memory) or<br>                                   # &#39;memcached&#39;. &#39;shmem&#39; by default<br>

                                   # (change requires restart)<br>memqcache_memcached_host = &#39;localhost&#39;<br>                                   # Memcached host name or IP address. Mandatory if<br>                                   # memqcache_method = &#39;memcached&#39;.<br>

                                   # Defaults to localhost.<br>                                   # (change requires restart)<br>memqcache_memcached_port = 11211<br>                                   # Memcached port number. Mondatory if memqcache_method = &#39;memcached&#39;.<br>

                                   # Defaults to 11211.<br>                                   # (change requires restart)<br>memqcache_total_size = 67108864<br>                                   # Total memory size in bytes for storing memory cache.<br>

                                   # Mandatory if memqcache_method = &#39;shmem&#39;.<br>                                   # Defaults to 64MB.<br>                                   # (change requires restart)<br>memqcache_max_num_cache = 1000000<br>

                                   # Total number of cache entries. Mandatory<br>                                   # if memqcache_method = &#39;shmem&#39;.<br>                                   # Each cache entry consumes 48 bytes on shared memory.<br>

                                   # Defaults to 1,000,000(45.8MB).<br>                                   # (change requires restart)<br>memqcache_expire = 0<br>                                   # Memory cache entry life time specified in seconds.<br>

                                   # 0 means infinite life time. 0 by default.<br>                                   # (change requires restart)<br>memqcache_auto_cache_invalidation = on<br>                                   # If on, invalidation of query cache is triggered by corresponding<br>

                                   # DDL/DML/DCL(and memqcache_expire).  If off, it is only triggered<br>                                   # by memqcache_expire.  on by default.<br>                                   # (change requires restart)<br>

memqcache_maxcache = 409600<br>                                   # Maximum SELECT result size in bytes.<br>                                   # Must be smaller than memqcache_cache_block_size. Defaults to 400KB.<br>                                   # (change requires restart)<br>

memqcache_cache_block_size = 1048576<br>                                   # Cache block size in bytes. Mandatory if memqcache_method = &#39;shmem&#39;.<br>                                   # Defaults to 1MB.<br>                                   # (change requires restart)<br>

memqcache_oiddir = &#39;/var/log/pgpool/oiddir&#39;<br>                                      # Temporary work directory to record table oids<br>                                   # (change requires restart)<br>white_memqcache_table_list = &#39;&#39;<br>

                                   # Comma separated list of table names to memcache<br>                                   # that don&#39;t write to database<br>                                   # Regexp are accepted<br>

black_memqcache_table_list = &#39;&#39;<br>                                   # Comma separated list of table names not to memcache<br>                                   # that don&#39;t write to database<br>                                   # Regexp are accepted<br>

<br></div><div><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/7/22 Lonni J Friedman <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:netllama@gmail.com" target="_blank">netllama@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
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<div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial narrow,sans-serif;font-size:x-small">It would likely be far more useful if you provided details about your environment.  You didn&#39;t even say what version of pgpool or postgres you were using, or how any one else could replicate the problem you reported.  What does your pgpool.conf look like?  What kind of hardware?  Which OS?<br>


</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 7:17 AM, KaBaSZo <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tobix10@gmail.com" target="_blank">tobix10@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>


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        <p>I have a problem with pgpool II configured in master-slave 
mode with replication on slony. 
I have configured postgres databases on each server to run as fast as 
they can and this was verified by me when I set up connection directly 
to the db server. However when connection is established by pgpool sth 
goes wrong, my webapp on tomcat starts very slowly(30min in compare to 
5min without pgpool).</p>

<p>I can&#39;t figure out what is wrong. On working webapp communication is a
 bit slower, but difference is so much smaller than at startup.</p>

<p>PGPool use ssh tunnels to communicate with servers. </p>

<p>I&#39;ve read sth about pgpool and if I understood correctly number of 
connections(pools) is determine by tuples(database, user). I use only 
one database and user, is that a reason? If so is there anything I can 
do to speed up pgpool?</p>

<p>Thanks in advance.</p>

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<br></blockquote></div><span><font color="#888888"><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br>L. Friedman                                    <a href="mailto:netllama@gmail.com" target="_blank">netllama@gmail.com</a><br>


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